Windows 8 is not the only product that Microsoft is currently working on.? The company is also working on a refresh of their popular Visual Studio product lineup, and boy, there will be changes that will certainly irritate part of the user base that is currently working with the product.
Microsoft notes that Visual Studio 11 will only be available for Windows 7 or higher (which at the time of writing means Windows 8), and not for Vista, XP or other Windows operating systems.? According to the official announcement, this is due to the leveraging of core capabilities that only those operating systems offer. Microsoft unfortunately fails to mention what these core capabilities are.
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But that is far from the only changes that will affect lots of Visual Studio users. Microsoft is a bit ambiguous in the blog post when it comes to Visual Studio 11 Express, and its support for desktop app development.
For example, the Express edition for Windows 8 allows developers to use C#, Visual Basic, C++ and JavaScript. It also provides best-in-class tools for creating Metro style apps for Windows 8, including tools such as Blend, app profiling, unit testing and more.
The Visual Studio 11 Express website
Visual Studio 11 Express for Windows 8 provides tools for Metro style app development. To create desktop apps, you need to use Visual Studio 11 Professional, or higher. In addition, Visual Studio 2010 Express products – Visual Basic 2010 Express, Visual C++ 2010 Express, and Visual C# 2010 Express – will remain available for free download.
This basically means that Windows 8 users who install Visual Studio 11 Express will only be able to develop Metro apps with it. And Windows 7 users? It is likely that they can continue developing desktop applications with the programming environment, as it would not really make much sense to only give them the option to create Metro apps – which they can’t test or use on the system – in Visual Studio Express 11.
Update: It seems that Windows 7 users won’t be able to use Visual Studio 11 Express at all, only Express for Web and Team Foundation Server Express.
Users who want to stick with Visual Studio when it comes to developing applications need to download and use the previous versions of the program which have been available for a while.
What’s your take on this?
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Responses so far:Roman ShaRP says:
) It’s not bad that VS 11 will be available for Windows 7 and not only for 8
) All are moving to Windows 7, because Vista was just a flop and XP support, alas, is going to be stopped
) Metro sucks and Win 8 sucks too
) So there is no point to upgrade to Win 8 to develop apps for sucker Metro, if you are not well paid for it.
) Once more, it proves that there is no point in upgrading to Win 8 at all (again, if you are not well paid for it).
I understand why they won’t support XP, but Vista?
From a technical standpoint, it makes no sense. But I understand why they want to see it dead.
And please don’t refer to Windows 8 as an “upgrade”.
“And Windows 7 users? It is likely that they can continue developing desktop applications with the programming environment, as it would not really make much sense to only give them the option to create Metro apps – which they can’t test or use on the system – in Visual Studio Express 11.”
NO, INFACT VISUAL STUDIO 11 EXPRESS ISN’T GOING TO BE AVAILABLE FOR WINDOWS 7 (EXCEPT FOR VISUAL STUDIO 11 EXPRESS FOR WEB).
Visual Studio 11 Express will only support Metro app development.
See: http://www.microsoft.com/visualstudio/11/en-us/products/express
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“Desktop application development
Visual Studio 11 Express for Windows 8 provides tools for Metro style app development. To create desktop apps, you need to use Visual Studio 11 Professional, or higher. In addition, Visual Studio 2010 Express products – Visual Basic 2010 Express, Visual C++ 2010 Express, and Visual C# 2010 Express – will remain available for free download.”
Clearly mentioned.
Now that is serious.
Yes, it is serious. Made me write a blogpost on my blog.
So when are you fixing that “It is likely that they can continue developing desktop applications with the programming environment, as it would not really make much sense to only give them the option to create Metro apps – which they can’t test or use on the system – in Visual Studio Express 11.” part of the article ????
Done :)
Also, to backup “INFACT VISUAL STUDIO 11 EXPRESS ISN’T GOING TO BE AVAILABLE FOR WINDOWS 7 (EXCEPT FOR VISUAL STUDIO 11 EXPRESS FOR WEB).” in my comment-
Go to http://www.microsoft.com/visualstudio/11/en-us/downloads#express
You will see:
Express for Web
Express for Windows 8
Team Foundation Server Express
So, there is no Visual Studio Express for Windows 7 – except for Express for Web, which supports Windows 7 ( system requirements:
http://www.microsoft.com/visualstudio/11/en-us/downloads#express-web )
So only Team Foundation Server Express and Express for Web editions are Windows 7 compatible.
Yet another excellent reason to avoid Visual Studio like the plague it is, and stick to industry-standard development packages.
VS 2010 is bloated and buggy (esp. on Win 7 64-bit systems). If I wasn’t forced to use it for SQL Server SSIS and SSRS development, I’d avoid it.
Microsoft continues to be clueless.
They are really desperate and clueless. Visual Studio 11 not running on XP or Vista was okay, but the C++/MFC programs you compile with it also won’t run on XP or Vista, nor will .NET 4.5. And the Express edition can no longer compile desktop apps which means it can’t target Windows 7 or the desktop apps in Windows 8. You can only build Metro apps with it. Microsoft is going to go DOWN with this lifecycle of products – Windows 8, Visual Studio 11, Office 15 – it’s all going to be Metro and it’s JUST CRAP. Just avoid it.
“but the C++/MFC programs you compile with it also won’t run on XP or Vista”
Maybe or maybe not. They said in the announcement that they are evaluating a post-RTM update to allow VS 11 developers to target Windows XP and Server 2003 without having to use VS 2010 compilers in multi-targeting.
Currently they support Vista SP2 as targeted platform for C++ applications made in Visual Studio 11.
MS just gets better and better at pi_ _ing off customers – uh, ex-customers.
Is SharpDevelop going to be able to take advantage of the full framework features? If so, I’m not ‘upgrading’ to VS2011Express
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